For me Carney represents a clear way thru this.Do I care if his favorite cookie is chocolate chip?Do I care that his resume is pretty impressive in the financial world fuck yahDo I care wether or not he has a super great story, well his short run up to this told me he is a Canadian boy who loved hockey,he got educated and did real world work.fuck the whole Poilievre is authentic bullshit that fucker is a fucking libertarian who based his whole career on making certain he got a bitchin fucking retirement fund that I have to fucking pay for.
I could care less what Mr Carney thought about the Gretzky trade or the other touch points you think are important. He comes across to me as a caring, smart person who is in this for the right reasons. That’s enough for me right now. I hope he’ll be able to do politics, gather good candidates, and run a smart campaign. When the Liberals win (please—I cannot take more years of Smith coupled with a Poilievre government), we’ll see if he can run a caucus and handle the rigours of parliament.
He didn’t have time to reveal himself to Canadians? Hard for Canadians to get to know someone who hasn’t lived in Canada for years, and conducted his “leadership” candidacy by holding private, closed to the public, closed to independent media events. What a farce. I’m a three year member of the Liberal Party of Canada member that was unable to “vote” as I couldn’t validate my info. Yet, shortly after Carney was announced as Canada’s new PM, I received a text message from the LPC asking me to chip in now and support Mark Carney to be ready for the 2025 election. So yeah, tell us again how Poilievre is a “sack of shit”
Do you not see what Trump/Poilievre/GOP/CPC have in common?
What part of Twitter/X becoming more and more of a "sewer" and the ridiculously named "Truth Social" leading to every whim and utterance of a nasty, unhinged, vengeful, lying idiot being elevated to "the news" (despite him being, more and more appallingly the "President of the United States of Amurrica"), what part of this can be considered GOOD in any way, shape, or form? All it does is showcase social media as the vehicle that has torn that thin veil of civilization to all of our detriment.
Thankfully, Mark Carney is different, and far more discriminating. He's from a generation that simply is not "confessional" at any opportunity, nor is he interested in joining in a trash-talking competition about WHOEVER, whenever, just to elicit that adrenaline rush made possible by complete, unprecedented anonymity. That's ALL just small, petty, pointless shit better left unsaid AND unread.
I thought it was crystal clear what Carney meant and why he's put himself forward; I trusted both his integrity and his capability for the task he's courageous enough to tackle is proven by what he's spent his life doing.
Why on earth do we need to know anything else about him? It might be human nature to be curious, but how is that working out for us at this point?!
I mostly agree with your post, but Carney did move back to Canada in 2021. He's been in the country for years, though you could make a good case that he has still largely hidden himself from the public eye in that time period - as opposed to showing political "leadership" of the kind that would have legitimately deserved this victory in a contest that defied the party's own Constitution.
As is often the case, hope his people are reading this and adopting some of these ideas.
Think Carney's biggest challenge will be a two part battle of convincing the average voter that he's more Doug Ford down to earth common man and less whatever the fuck they think a WEF Davos elite is... and secondly, that he's sincere in some sort of claim that he wants to make Canada a place where someone like him can stay for their whole life and not have to leave to the US/UK/elsewhere to pursue being the best in their field.
It will be a tough line to tow, and I'm not sold that he can do it, but hopefully that's the direction he attempts to go. This was the easy part.
Not by you because you are not a supporter and see through him. He is totally real and authentic to his rabid supporters. They think he is the best thing since sliced bread. The baritone voice, the slogans that are "common sense" to them.
Libs have a difficult time understanding why he hit big poll numbers. If they don't figure out how to access that segment, they are going to have a difficult time forming govt.
I’ve yet to read a post of yours that I disagree with. Mr. Carney is brilliant at giving a birds-eye-view of what the lay of the land is, and where we need to go. But the people he will be trying to reach are at ground level dealing with undulating hills and winding roads. He connects very well as a visionary. People will likely want to see their story in his vision.
Instead of trying to be first to pontificate on the new leader of the Liberal Party, maybe you could have been more upbeat about the man if you’d listened to all of his acceptance speech…. Just saying…
My comment was made immediately after you published your POV and Mr Carney had not finished his speech so I’m sure you all did hear all of it as you claim, but more significantly, I very much doubt your claim that because you “watch most of his speeches” that gives you insight into his acceptance speech which he obviously had never made before!
Carney has been open to who he is. He’s a professional who Harper trusted to get us out of economic trouble. I can’t believe the comments I’m reading when Pierre Poilievre is a sack of shit, he belittles everyone especially farmers. I drank with these conservatives who openly say they bank on stupidity. I’m sick and tired of the childish rhetoric and lies by conservatives. They are treasonous to the core. To vote Pierre you’d have to be a Trump lover. Pierre wants to crucify Canadians like Trump is. Carney is 100 times better than Pierre the lying poss. Pierre has no job skills and caters to the rich elite. Why there’s men who buy into Pierre’s bull, beats me. You can’t be very educated to vote that bully weasel. Pierre showed his colours and they are full on fascism. All parties ask for donations for Pete sakes. Conservatives are accepting donations from the oil companies and big corporations. Only a nazi would vote for Pierre. Say goodbye to federal pensions we paid into while he gets the highest paid pension in a party. Pierre is a bad man, very corrupt and won’t listen to anyone even laws. He uses Trump speeches. I’ve been robbed by these conservatives of everything I worked for and saved. He’s married a mobster’s daughter. He lives better than even our PM.
Why do uninformed people hold onto Pierre? Because critical thinking skills are lacking. Low voter turnout produces these far right rcons. Any comments against Mark are ridiculous, but the haters will always look like stunned monkeys. Honestly I’m so tired of adult male immaturity, false information and accusations. These clowns are being radicalized and you can read online how pathetic these unprofessional people are.
As a woman no party ever helped me but I vote ABC never far right conservative who hang onto the most uneducated people. Where are the grown ups in this society? There aren’t any in conservative land of zero credentials, the rcon voters who buy into the lying narrative, yet no support when rcons destroyed my life and dignity, stole land and made their friends rich. Why are so many men radicalized? So uninformed yet show aggressive behaviour. Haters and trolls being bought by the desperate rcons, they want the resources and not the citizens. A party that sells our crowns does not have our backs. These are not even close to the progressive Conservative Party. The reformers hi-jacked the PC’s. The voters of that Rcon regime are dangerously disgusting, pathetic and childish. There is No man in far right conservative land, only threats, sabotage, slander and hateful rhetoric behaviour. I’m tired of trying to be a warrior but these people have exhausted us. I get nauseated by every sick and uninformed people that call themselves Canadian, if they hate it here move. I did to get away from toxic, dumb rural areas. We have loads of uneducated men but lots of educated women who are being forced out of good paying jobs. Everything R conservative is a Nazi, kkk lying piece of garbage. I’m so sick of liberal hate and false narratives, Hitler took over media and these conservative republicans have too. The most Nazis are in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Hate is taught at a young age. That conservative paid convoy put children in the middle of terrorism like a main highway. Morals are lost under conservatives
I thought I'd try your substack on the mention of it by David Coletto. Glad I did. I'm not impressed with your vitriolic attack on Pierre Poilievre. Good luck in trying to add any dimension to your chosen one. You did hit on what is missing in his persona. I don't think that a continuation of some of the worst attributes of the Gerry/Katie shitshow will enhance his appeal. The fact that they are key activist advisers to him tells me a lot about him. But he'll have strong advice on wedge issues I'm sure. They'll have to work hard on their rolodexes to promote him as dynamic if all the speeches and comments he's made to date are any example. On another point when the writ is dropped within 10-14 days he's touting a cabinet that has been proved to be underwhelming.
"Pierre Poilievre will never be able to wrap himself in the flag fully because he has made Canada being broken such a core piece of the identity."
It seems to me that someone has to CARE about the country to even take the time to see where is has fallen down so your statement does not ring true to me. Further, given the number of people in this country who have seen the problems first hand and how the LPC government was unable to fix what they had broken so I think what you do when you say that is that you tell Canadians that their lived experience has no validity.
So, I think that the LPC really does need to find a different way to deal with what PP has said.
I buy this view. There is a segment of the voters who don't know/understand/care about policy. It is the "feels" that matter. Poilievre's followers are mostly that crowd. Carney needs to pull in a few of them, and hopefully lots of them. However, it is imperative he doesn't try to go toe to toe with Poilievre's populism....that would backfire.
For me Carney represents a clear way thru this.Do I care if his favorite cookie is chocolate chip?Do I care that his resume is pretty impressive in the financial world fuck yahDo I care wether or not he has a super great story, well his short run up to this told me he is a Canadian boy who loved hockey,he got educated and did real world work.fuck the whole Poilievre is authentic bullshit that fucker is a fucking libertarian who based his whole career on making certain he got a bitchin fucking retirement fund that I have to fucking pay for.
Carney is smart and gives a fuck
I could care less what Mr Carney thought about the Gretzky trade or the other touch points you think are important. He comes across to me as a caring, smart person who is in this for the right reasons. That’s enough for me right now. I hope he’ll be able to do politics, gather good candidates, and run a smart campaign. When the Liberals win (please—I cannot take more years of Smith coupled with a Poilievre government), we’ll see if he can run a caucus and handle the rigours of parliament.
He didn’t have time to reveal himself to Canadians? Hard for Canadians to get to know someone who hasn’t lived in Canada for years, and conducted his “leadership” candidacy by holding private, closed to the public, closed to independent media events. What a farce. I’m a three year member of the Liberal Party of Canada member that was unable to “vote” as I couldn’t validate my info. Yet, shortly after Carney was announced as Canada’s new PM, I received a text message from the LPC asking me to chip in now and support Mark Carney to be ready for the 2025 election. So yeah, tell us again how Poilievre is a “sack of shit”
Do you not see what Trump/Poilievre/GOP/CPC have in common?
What part of Twitter/X becoming more and more of a "sewer" and the ridiculously named "Truth Social" leading to every whim and utterance of a nasty, unhinged, vengeful, lying idiot being elevated to "the news" (despite him being, more and more appallingly the "President of the United States of Amurrica"), what part of this can be considered GOOD in any way, shape, or form? All it does is showcase social media as the vehicle that has torn that thin veil of civilization to all of our detriment.
Thankfully, Mark Carney is different, and far more discriminating. He's from a generation that simply is not "confessional" at any opportunity, nor is he interested in joining in a trash-talking competition about WHOEVER, whenever, just to elicit that adrenaline rush made possible by complete, unprecedented anonymity. That's ALL just small, petty, pointless shit better left unsaid AND unread.
I thought it was crystal clear what Carney meant and why he's put himself forward; I trusted both his integrity and his capability for the task he's courageous enough to tackle is proven by what he's spent his life doing.
Why on earth do we need to know anything else about him? It might be human nature to be curious, but how is that working out for us at this point?!
I mostly agree with your post, but Carney did move back to Canada in 2021. He's been in the country for years, though you could make a good case that he has still largely hidden himself from the public eye in that time period - as opposed to showing political "leadership" of the kind that would have legitimately deserved this victory in a contest that defied the party's own Constitution.
As is often the case, hope his people are reading this and adopting some of these ideas.
Think Carney's biggest challenge will be a two part battle of convincing the average voter that he's more Doug Ford down to earth common man and less whatever the fuck they think a WEF Davos elite is... and secondly, that he's sincere in some sort of claim that he wants to make Canada a place where someone like him can stay for their whole life and not have to leave to the US/UK/elsewhere to pursue being the best in their field.
It will be a tough line to tow, and I'm not sold that he can do it, but hopefully that's the direction he attempts to go. This was the easy part.
I thought Carney’s speech was a good step in the direction of making Carney “relatable “ to voters.
The #1 issue in the coming election is defending Canada vs Trump. Carney is going to win that contest with Poilievre.
Is Poilievre seen as authentic? I’m not sure about that.
He is "seen" as authentic but he is fake. That is his talent.
But is he really “seen” as such, real or not? No.
Not by you because you are not a supporter and see through him. He is totally real and authentic to his rabid supporters. They think he is the best thing since sliced bread. The baritone voice, the slogans that are "common sense" to them.
Libs have a difficult time understanding why he hit big poll numbers. If they don't figure out how to access that segment, they are going to have a difficult time forming govt.
I’ve yet to read a post of yours that I disagree with. Mr. Carney is brilliant at giving a birds-eye-view of what the lay of the land is, and where we need to go. But the people he will be trying to reach are at ground level dealing with undulating hills and winding roads. He connects very well as a visionary. People will likely want to see their story in his vision.
The whole world knows what the WEF is all about , nothing for convict Carney to improve on. What a theatrical farce.
Instead of trying to be first to pontificate on the new leader of the Liberal Party, maybe you could have been more upbeat about the man if you’d listened to all of his acceptance speech…. Just saying…
I listened to all of it, I’ve heard it many times because I watch most of his speeches
My comment was made immediately after you published your POV and Mr Carney had not finished his speech so I’m sure you all did hear all of it as you claim, but more significantly, I very much doubt your claim that because you “watch most of his speeches” that gives you insight into his acceptance speech which he obviously had never made before!
Carney has been open to who he is. He’s a professional who Harper trusted to get us out of economic trouble. I can’t believe the comments I’m reading when Pierre Poilievre is a sack of shit, he belittles everyone especially farmers. I drank with these conservatives who openly say they bank on stupidity. I’m sick and tired of the childish rhetoric and lies by conservatives. They are treasonous to the core. To vote Pierre you’d have to be a Trump lover. Pierre wants to crucify Canadians like Trump is. Carney is 100 times better than Pierre the lying poss. Pierre has no job skills and caters to the rich elite. Why there’s men who buy into Pierre’s bull, beats me. You can’t be very educated to vote that bully weasel. Pierre showed his colours and they are full on fascism. All parties ask for donations for Pete sakes. Conservatives are accepting donations from the oil companies and big corporations. Only a nazi would vote for Pierre. Say goodbye to federal pensions we paid into while he gets the highest paid pension in a party. Pierre is a bad man, very corrupt and won’t listen to anyone even laws. He uses Trump speeches. I’ve been robbed by these conservatives of everything I worked for and saved. He’s married a mobster’s daughter. He lives better than even our PM.
Why do uninformed people hold onto Pierre? Because critical thinking skills are lacking. Low voter turnout produces these far right rcons. Any comments against Mark are ridiculous, but the haters will always look like stunned monkeys. Honestly I’m so tired of adult male immaturity, false information and accusations. These clowns are being radicalized and you can read online how pathetic these unprofessional people are.
As a woman no party ever helped me but I vote ABC never far right conservative who hang onto the most uneducated people. Where are the grown ups in this society? There aren’t any in conservative land of zero credentials, the rcon voters who buy into the lying narrative, yet no support when rcons destroyed my life and dignity, stole land and made their friends rich. Why are so many men radicalized? So uninformed yet show aggressive behaviour. Haters and trolls being bought by the desperate rcons, they want the resources and not the citizens. A party that sells our crowns does not have our backs. These are not even close to the progressive Conservative Party. The reformers hi-jacked the PC’s. The voters of that Rcon regime are dangerously disgusting, pathetic and childish. There is No man in far right conservative land, only threats, sabotage, slander and hateful rhetoric behaviour. I’m tired of trying to be a warrior but these people have exhausted us. I get nauseated by every sick and uninformed people that call themselves Canadian, if they hate it here move. I did to get away from toxic, dumb rural areas. We have loads of uneducated men but lots of educated women who are being forced out of good paying jobs. Everything R conservative is a Nazi, kkk lying piece of garbage. I’m so sick of liberal hate and false narratives, Hitler took over media and these conservative republicans have too. The most Nazis are in Saskatchewan and Alberta. Hate is taught at a young age. That conservative paid convoy put children in the middle of terrorism like a main highway. Morals are lost under conservatives
I thought I'd try your substack on the mention of it by David Coletto. Glad I did. I'm not impressed with your vitriolic attack on Pierre Poilievre. Good luck in trying to add any dimension to your chosen one. You did hit on what is missing in his persona. I don't think that a continuation of some of the worst attributes of the Gerry/Katie shitshow will enhance his appeal. The fact that they are key activist advisers to him tells me a lot about him. But he'll have strong advice on wedge issues I'm sure. They'll have to work hard on their rolodexes to promote him as dynamic if all the speeches and comments he's made to date are any example. On another point when the writ is dropped within 10-14 days he's touting a cabinet that has been proved to be underwhelming.
We need to see more of the guy on the Daily Show.... soon, very soon. and we need Chrystia Freeland back in Deputy PM position and foreign affairs.
Hmmmm .......
"Pierre Poilievre will never be able to wrap himself in the flag fully because he has made Canada being broken such a core piece of the identity."
It seems to me that someone has to CARE about the country to even take the time to see where is has fallen down so your statement does not ring true to me. Further, given the number of people in this country who have seen the problems first hand and how the LPC government was unable to fix what they had broken so I think what you do when you say that is that you tell Canadians that their lived experience has no validity.
So, I think that the LPC really does need to find a different way to deal with what PP has said.
I buy this view. There is a segment of the voters who don't know/understand/care about policy. It is the "feels" that matter. Poilievre's followers are mostly that crowd. Carney needs to pull in a few of them, and hopefully lots of them. However, it is imperative he doesn't try to go toe to toe with Poilievre's populism....that would backfire.
Suggests Jean Charest in War Time cabinet. Who from the West?
All I can say is “ right on”. I hope Mark reads this.