To start with Greely and Poilievre, yes, I believe he is in a heap of trouble. I was already surprised by the line ups in the advance voting. Now we know that that 44k people voted early in Carleton. This is 2-3 times the early voting rate than other ridings in 2025! The next riding with a high early voting turnout out is at 30k.
People in Carleton are motivated. And I don’t think they are motivated to vote for Poilievre. I think it is change they are after…
Regarding Singh. In effect he says the quiet part out loud. If the choice is between a Trump style majority CPC government and “any other outcome”, NDP voters will vote to make sure that they get the “any other outcome”. And there is nothing that Singh could have done to convince them that voting NDP was worth the risk of not getting the “any other outcome”.
I am a long life Liberal but I will never forget that Jagmeet blocked the despicable Cons from forming government AND he got Justin to pass dental care - I wish him the absolute best!
Nobody forced Singh to rip up the supply and confidence agreement (and then continue to support the Liberals for another year or so). And the Liberals were keeping their end of the agreement. Singh was completely inconsistent in the past 3 years.
I hope people in PP's riding have long memories and remember his support of the convoy. (I know my family members in Ottawa do and are all voting red to keep the bastard out of govt). When I saw those advance polling numbers I had some hope that he's on the ropes due to the motivations of the Liberal base there.
Yes, they (we) do. I believe that in past years liberal leaning voters stayed home as the riding was considered a lock of Poilievre. Now, with the convoy memories, people are going to vote to make a point. With a very hard working Liberal candidate and the collapse of the NDP, it may be enough to topple Poilievre.
Can't an argument be made that the best achievable position for the NDP these days is the very position they held in this most recent parliament -- holding the balance of power under a minority Liberal government? Were the NDP not reasonably successful in getting their priorities implemented, despite not being either the governing party or the official opposition?
Singh needed to pick a horse and ride it. Whether it was because of pressure from his caucus (no evidence, but possible) or his own ambivalent nature he never did figure out how to be in a partnership with Trudeau.
The thing I really lay at Singh’s feet is his deliberate obfuscation of provincial and federal responsibilities during and after COVID. He jumped on Poilievre’s Trudeau-bashing with both feet because …? Singh’s case for NDP votes this election would have been much stronger by pitching themselves as a reliable partner of the Liberals but one that would hold the Liberals to their commitments on health, housing, and social transfers.
So many things made me really dislike the guy. He was a designer suit, Rolex watch, BMW driving socialist. He lived at home till he was 40 and his parents bought him his house even though he was a lawyer and an MPP so I’m assuming he would be able to afford it himself. The parking of his BMW and then arriving on Parliament on his bike just screams phoney.
His campaign in 2021 was a disaster because it was his personal vanity project. The TikTok of him in a shower and the budget spent on him and none on the other NDP candidates should of ended him
Lastly he spent all his time blaming JT and the Liberals for things that were not federal responsibility. He’s been a federal and provincial politician so to me he’s also a liar. It also drained his party of all its money and left them in debt till February 2024. Seven months later he leaves the agreement
While I was a Green Party campaigner in the 1990's, and there are candidates associated with the NDP that I might support, I'm actually hoping that both parties get wiped out this election. I have no sympathy for these parties, as everything that is happening with strategic voting is their fault.
During the ERRE committee in 2016, before the Supply and Confidence Agreement in 2022, they demanded Party Proportionality (proximity to Pure Party Lists, as measured by the Gallagher index) as a condition of electoral reform. The NDP and Greens even partnered with the Conservatives to have a referendum on the Gallagher index, which is a really expensive way to say "no". We would have had ranked ballots in time for the 2019 federal election if they hadn't rejected Ranked Choice Voting (and for nonsense reasons).
Of course the NDP would not have put that as a condition for the Supply and Confidence Agreement as the NDP is the primary reason we are still using FPTP federally. They wanted their narrow criteria for success, or keep the status quo.
A lack of Ranked Choice Voting is why the Reform and Progressive Conservatives parties merged, and maybe those extremely different parties would have appropriately separated again by now if electoral reform happened in 2019.
I don’t think you’re wrong in general, but I think you’re overstating the long term damage
Any future NDP leader who has reinvigorated the party to the point where it’s winning dozens of seats, and exercising national influence, won’t be haunted by any bad Singh quotes. Their own accomplishments will have obviated any shadow of his that might still linger.
That doesn’t mean they won’t need to grapple with the same essential question, but that would be true regardless and no different than what every other minor party around the world needs to grapple with
And, of course, if no future leader manages to reinvigorate the party it’s all a moot point anyways, isn’t it?
“it still your position that stopping the Conservatives is more important than winning NDP seats?”
It was never our position, it was Singh’s. Our goal is to win enough seats to form government, barring that enough seats to prevent a majority and become official opposition, where we will vigorously and without apology advance a left wing program… then list some policy goals.
"There isn’t a special secret clause in the NDP constitution that says that the leader gets to throw their party under the bus if they just care enough."
Bold of you to assume the NDP follows its constitution in the first place!
To start with Greely and Poilievre, yes, I believe he is in a heap of trouble. I was already surprised by the line ups in the advance voting. Now we know that that 44k people voted early in Carleton. This is 2-3 times the early voting rate than other ridings in 2025! The next riding with a high early voting turnout out is at 30k.
People in Carleton are motivated. And I don’t think they are motivated to vote for Poilievre. I think it is change they are after…
Regarding Singh. In effect he says the quiet part out loud. If the choice is between a Trump style majority CPC government and “any other outcome”, NDP voters will vote to make sure that they get the “any other outcome”. And there is nothing that Singh could have done to convince them that voting NDP was worth the risk of not getting the “any other outcome”.
I am a long life Liberal but I will never forget that Jagmeet blocked the despicable Cons from forming government AND he got Justin to pass dental care - I wish him the absolute best!
Nobody forced Singh to rip up the supply and confidence agreement (and then continue to support the Liberals for another year or so). And the Liberals were keeping their end of the agreement. Singh was completely inconsistent in the past 3 years.
I hope people in PP's riding have long memories and remember his support of the convoy. (I know my family members in Ottawa do and are all voting red to keep the bastard out of govt). When I saw those advance polling numbers I had some hope that he's on the ropes due to the motivations of the Liberal base there.
Yes, they (we) do. I believe that in past years liberal leaning voters stayed home as the riding was considered a lock of Poilievre. Now, with the convoy memories, people are going to vote to make a point. With a very hard working Liberal candidate and the collapse of the NDP, it may be enough to topple Poilievre.
Can't an argument be made that the best achievable position for the NDP these days is the very position they held in this most recent parliament -- holding the balance of power under a minority Liberal government? Were the NDP not reasonably successful in getting their priorities implemented, despite not being either the governing party or the official opposition?
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Singh needed to pick a horse and ride it. Whether it was because of pressure from his caucus (no evidence, but possible) or his own ambivalent nature he never did figure out how to be in a partnership with Trudeau.
The thing I really lay at Singh’s feet is his deliberate obfuscation of provincial and federal responsibilities during and after COVID. He jumped on Poilievre’s Trudeau-bashing with both feet because …? Singh’s case for NDP votes this election would have been much stronger by pitching themselves as a reliable partner of the Liberals but one that would hold the Liberals to their commitments on health, housing, and social transfers.
But, whatever. He will be gone and good riddance!
And yeah, GO FANJOY!!!!!
Considering I was completely discouraged back in Nov about the election, I cannot believe our lucky stars & the possibility of a majority gov
If odious Pierre loses his seat, I will not want for anything else in 2025 ❤️❤️❤️
Which reminds me I should donate to Mr Fanjoy’s campaign
Who is honking now 😂
So many things made me really dislike the guy. He was a designer suit, Rolex watch, BMW driving socialist. He lived at home till he was 40 and his parents bought him his house even though he was a lawyer and an MPP so I’m assuming he would be able to afford it himself. The parking of his BMW and then arriving on Parliament on his bike just screams phoney.
His campaign in 2021 was a disaster because it was his personal vanity project. The TikTok of him in a shower and the budget spent on him and none on the other NDP candidates should of ended him
Lastly he spent all his time blaming JT and the Liberals for things that were not federal responsibility. He’s been a federal and provincial politician so to me he’s also a liar. It also drained his party of all its money and left them in debt till February 2024. Seven months later he leaves the agreement
I’m all
Actually it was a Maserati. The common car for the proletariat in Italy.
Even worse
“The Liberals got shockingly good response at the doors”?
- with their large lead in the polls, one would believe that Canadians all have Welcome Liberals banners on every street.
While I was a Green Party campaigner in the 1990's, and there are candidates associated with the NDP that I might support, I'm actually hoping that both parties get wiped out this election. I have no sympathy for these parties, as everything that is happening with strategic voting is their fault.
During the ERRE committee in 2016, before the Supply and Confidence Agreement in 2022, they demanded Party Proportionality (proximity to Pure Party Lists, as measured by the Gallagher index) as a condition of electoral reform. The NDP and Greens even partnered with the Conservatives to have a referendum on the Gallagher index, which is a really expensive way to say "no". We would have had ranked ballots in time for the 2019 federal election if they hadn't rejected Ranked Choice Voting (and for nonsense reasons).
Of course the NDP would not have put that as a condition for the Supply and Confidence Agreement as the NDP is the primary reason we are still using FPTP federally. They wanted their narrow criteria for success, or keep the status quo.
https://r.flora.ca/p/justin-trudeau-electoral-reform
A lack of Ranked Choice Voting is why the Reform and Progressive Conservatives parties merged, and maybe those extremely different parties would have appropriately separated again by now if electoral reform happened in 2019.
I don’t think you’re wrong in general, but I think you’re overstating the long term damage
Any future NDP leader who has reinvigorated the party to the point where it’s winning dozens of seats, and exercising national influence, won’t be haunted by any bad Singh quotes. Their own accomplishments will have obviated any shadow of his that might still linger.
That doesn’t mean they won’t need to grapple with the same essential question, but that would be true regardless and no different than what every other minor party around the world needs to grapple with
And, of course, if no future leader manages to reinvigorate the party it’s all a moot point anyways, isn’t it?
My answer to this question:
“it still your position that stopping the Conservatives is more important than winning NDP seats?”
It was never our position, it was Singh’s. Our goal is to win enough seats to form government, barring that enough seats to prevent a majority and become official opposition, where we will vigorously and without apology advance a left wing program… then list some policy goals.
"There isn’t a special secret clause in the NDP constitution that says that the leader gets to throw their party under the bus if they just care enough."
Bold of you to assume the NDP follows its constitution in the first place!
Jagmeet lost me when he started this pogoing shit at his 'rallies'. I mean, that is just so 20th century.