What would be some examples of alleged "subsidies" that are specific to the energy industry?
I would argue that the energy industry is unduly taxed by the federal government as it isn't able to fully deduct royalties paid to Provinces against federal taxes. For some curious geographic and electoral reasons, royalties paid for mining and forestry are deductible and dividends paid by Crown owned hydro-electricity corps are not subject to Federal tax.
Doug, I am a supporter of the oil industry AND mildly right of center AND a resident of Alberta AND a supporter of Danielle Smith (all of which could get me banned from these comments).
So, subsidies. Like you, I think the resource industry is overtaxed. I also - I am a retired accountant - believe that the taxation of the resource industry is hideously and stupidly complex. As for actual subsidies I can think of one - no, make that a couple - only.
The first example I can think of is the PROPOSED benefits to the Pathways Alliance with respect to it's carbon capture and storage projects. The second example is more general in that I see in the media discussion about various loans, grants, incentives, etc. with respect to green projects.
In my mind, these things - which Mr. Scrimshaw labels as subsidies - are praiseworthy but please recall that there is a considerable component of society that simply sees the resource industry as anathema and (foolishly) does not see any merit to the industry. Having said that, even loons are entitled to their (misguided) opinions.
As a Albertan, i do take umbridge at your reasoning, via comparison of brampton's seats being larger in number than the total of AB and Sask combined. That sort of statement is, while being true, what drives on federal level the "feeling" that the west isn't important. Now, its incombant on AB voters to vote for more liberal MPs, so we to can be represented. But the manifesto laid out here should include finding ways of political inclusivness.
I do agree with a number of things you reported on here, including a faster transition away from FF, yes, a albertan said that,and a old one as well. I do hope it makes some difference in the years to come.
As an Albertan, we need to acknowledge that Trudeau bought us a pipeline at huge political cost, which is more than everything the Conservatives did for us in their years in Government combined, and then Trudeau *lost* seats in Alberta in the subsequent election
If we’re going to vote against people who do good things for us, we’re not going to get good things. Our votes have consequences. We bitch and moan that Quebec gets attention, but when someone tries to actually treat us like Quebec we piss it away.
The NEB approved 4 pipelines under Harper's tenure
-Enbridge Alberta Clipper
-TC Keystone Phase I
-Enbridge Line 9 reversal
-KM Anchor Loop
The oft repeated statement that Harper did nothing to get peiplines built is yet another example of repeating a lie often enough until it becomes accepted as truth.
Regional discontent also resched a modern period nadir under Harper as his government's largely avoid picking favorites.
The final achievement of the Harper government was taking federal spending to a post war low as a percentage of GDP without breaking anything. This was a step towards better aligning federal spending to the actual value that it achieves. Unfortunately, the Liberals have regressed by spending more and achieving less.
Please don't overstate the seat potential. The Liberals likely have more winnable seats in PEI than in AB and SK combined. Brampton has far too many seats to be used as a benchmark.
Brampton provincially has five ridings. All five are represented by Doug Ford's PCs. Edmonton provincially has twenty ridings. All twenty are represented by Rachel Notley/Naheed Nenshi's NDP. Come back to this comment when Crombie, never mind the ONDP, can get a seat back in Brampton lol
The incompetence of Justin Trudeau to make the case to these voters shouldn't mean that the entire Liberal Party, especially one about to be taken over by an Edmontonian should just write off two provinces
It's a miss in two ways - one, in understanding the conservatism / pro-business dynamics of South Asians in Brampton (a lot of engineering households working for industries including but not limited to O&G that heavily utilize subsidies/incentives). And second, Alberta and Saskatchewan are not political monoliths. Every seat in the Edmonton city limits should be considered winnable for the Liberals. If they're not, they're not doing their job.
I'd argue that Edmonton or Saskatoon is much more of a litmus test for a revamped Liberal party and whether it can be successful across the country than anywhere in Ontario or Quebec. If the message works in the urban parts of the west, it will work in suburban central ridings, but i don't know that it would hold in reverse.
What would be the problem with implementing a Canada wide mandatory service requirement instead of something voluntary. Finland and Switzerland have mandatory military service. The LDS have missions. The service program slots would be based on need and aptitude. Maybe the military, or conservation, or health care, ir almost any type of public service. It would be a great way for insular young people to get out of province experience with folks they may never hang with. Lots of opportunity to gain understanding of who we all are. 18 months is not a huge time commitment in a typical 40 year career and the benefits to social cohesion would be enormous.
As Albertan(24), there’s not much noticeable that would get young people engaged. Just in my neighbourhood you would think Trump was campaigning here all last year. A lot of the younger generation in truth view the climate policies as a scam and pretentious that are symbolic with no impact. Take the paper straws, deeply unpopular, that could be a populist win for any side if taken out. The public transport is horrendous, the train stations are scary to move on when dark. Those are the type of things young people feel and see. It might be a good way to grab attention. Freeland is just as unpopular as Trudeau(who should have stepped aside early last year, the hate is now on the whole liberal party). The pendulum swing is Canada’s fate, now it’s about balancing to prevent a Stamer majority level.
"Liberals bend over fucking backwards to appease people who will call us communists no matter we say or do."
Legendary line.
As someone who thinks of themselves as an "actual" communist I think it's hilarious (and frustrating) to see the basic and pretty common sense pro-capitalist positions taken by the Liberals interpreted as full blown socialism. Like, I fucking wish, but taxing the rich a bit more to help fund institutions is far from socialism. I take a very critical stance towards the Liberal Party and I prefer to put my eggs in the NDP's basket because I think they're more committed to implementing those kinds of redistributive policies, but I definitely agree that the Liberals would stand to gain a whole lot from being more aggressively progressive. Young people want progressive candidates, they just feel like the Liberals aren't offering that at the moment.
Young people do NOT like internet censorship, if Liberals repeal Bill C-11, C-18, and C-63, and promise to never legislate the internet again, then they are golden.
What would be some examples of alleged "subsidies" that are specific to the energy industry?
I would argue that the energy industry is unduly taxed by the federal government as it isn't able to fully deduct royalties paid to Provinces against federal taxes. For some curious geographic and electoral reasons, royalties paid for mining and forestry are deductible and dividends paid by Crown owned hydro-electricity corps are not subject to Federal tax.
Doug, I am a supporter of the oil industry AND mildly right of center AND a resident of Alberta AND a supporter of Danielle Smith (all of which could get me banned from these comments).
So, subsidies. Like you, I think the resource industry is overtaxed. I also - I am a retired accountant - believe that the taxation of the resource industry is hideously and stupidly complex. As for actual subsidies I can think of one - no, make that a couple - only.
The first example I can think of is the PROPOSED benefits to the Pathways Alliance with respect to it's carbon capture and storage projects. The second example is more general in that I see in the media discussion about various loans, grants, incentives, etc. with respect to green projects.
In my mind, these things - which Mr. Scrimshaw labels as subsidies - are praiseworthy but please recall that there is a considerable component of society that simply sees the resource industry as anathema and (foolishly) does not see any merit to the industry. Having said that, even loons are entitled to their (misguided) opinions.
As a Albertan, i do take umbridge at your reasoning, via comparison of brampton's seats being larger in number than the total of AB and Sask combined. That sort of statement is, while being true, what drives on federal level the "feeling" that the west isn't important. Now, its incombant on AB voters to vote for more liberal MPs, so we to can be represented. But the manifesto laid out here should include finding ways of political inclusivness.
I do agree with a number of things you reported on here, including a faster transition away from FF, yes, a albertan said that,and a old one as well. I do hope it makes some difference in the years to come.
Btw, happy 28th! My 28th was 30 yrs ago, lol.
As an Albertan, we need to acknowledge that Trudeau bought us a pipeline at huge political cost, which is more than everything the Conservatives did for us in their years in Government combined, and then Trudeau *lost* seats in Alberta in the subsequent election
If we’re going to vote against people who do good things for us, we’re not going to get good things. Our votes have consequences. We bitch and moan that Quebec gets attention, but when someone tries to actually treat us like Quebec we piss it away.
The NEB approved 4 pipelines under Harper's tenure
-Enbridge Alberta Clipper
-TC Keystone Phase I
-Enbridge Line 9 reversal
-KM Anchor Loop
The oft repeated statement that Harper did nothing to get peiplines built is yet another example of repeating a lie often enough until it becomes accepted as truth.
Regional discontent also resched a modern period nadir under Harper as his government's largely avoid picking favorites.
The final achievement of the Harper government was taking federal spending to a post war low as a percentage of GDP without breaking anything. This was a step towards better aligning federal spending to the actual value that it achieves. Unfortunately, the Liberals have regressed by spending more and achieving less.
Please don't overstate the seat potential. The Liberals likely have more winnable seats in PEI than in AB and SK combined. Brampton has far too many seats to be used as a benchmark.
Brampton provincially has five ridings. All five are represented by Doug Ford's PCs. Edmonton provincially has twenty ridings. All twenty are represented by Rachel Notley/Naheed Nenshi's NDP. Come back to this comment when Crombie, never mind the ONDP, can get a seat back in Brampton lol
The incompetence of Justin Trudeau to make the case to these voters shouldn't mean that the entire Liberal Party, especially one about to be taken over by an Edmontonian should just write off two provinces
Came here to say this. Agreed 100%
It's a miss in two ways - one, in understanding the conservatism / pro-business dynamics of South Asians in Brampton (a lot of engineering households working for industries including but not limited to O&G that heavily utilize subsidies/incentives). And second, Alberta and Saskatchewan are not political monoliths. Every seat in the Edmonton city limits should be considered winnable for the Liberals. If they're not, they're not doing their job.
I'd argue that Edmonton or Saskatoon is much more of a litmus test for a revamped Liberal party and whether it can be successful across the country than anywhere in Ontario or Quebec. If the message works in the urban parts of the west, it will work in suburban central ridings, but i don't know that it would hold in reverse.
What would be the problem with implementing a Canada wide mandatory service requirement instead of something voluntary. Finland and Switzerland have mandatory military service. The LDS have missions. The service program slots would be based on need and aptitude. Maybe the military, or conservation, or health care, ir almost any type of public service. It would be a great way for insular young people to get out of province experience with folks they may never hang with. Lots of opportunity to gain understanding of who we all are. 18 months is not a huge time commitment in a typical 40 year career and the benefits to social cohesion would be enormous.
As Albertan(24), there’s not much noticeable that would get young people engaged. Just in my neighbourhood you would think Trump was campaigning here all last year. A lot of the younger generation in truth view the climate policies as a scam and pretentious that are symbolic with no impact. Take the paper straws, deeply unpopular, that could be a populist win for any side if taken out. The public transport is horrendous, the train stations are scary to move on when dark. Those are the type of things young people feel and see. It might be a good way to grab attention. Freeland is just as unpopular as Trudeau(who should have stepped aside early last year, the hate is now on the whole liberal party). The pendulum swing is Canada’s fate, now it’s about balancing to prevent a Stamer majority level.
"Liberals bend over fucking backwards to appease people who will call us communists no matter we say or do."
Legendary line.
As someone who thinks of themselves as an "actual" communist I think it's hilarious (and frustrating) to see the basic and pretty common sense pro-capitalist positions taken by the Liberals interpreted as full blown socialism. Like, I fucking wish, but taxing the rich a bit more to help fund institutions is far from socialism. I take a very critical stance towards the Liberal Party and I prefer to put my eggs in the NDP's basket because I think they're more committed to implementing those kinds of redistributive policies, but I definitely agree that the Liberals would stand to gain a whole lot from being more aggressively progressive. Young people want progressive candidates, they just feel like the Liberals aren't offering that at the moment.
good points....... Freeland is the leader to champion these.....or at most the ones who will do it..
Young people do NOT like internet censorship, if Liberals repeal Bill C-11, C-18, and C-63, and promise to never legislate the internet again, then they are golden.