Not buying any of this, if you suggest a long list of positives are all wiped out due to "housing", when the main actors is that process are provinces and municipalities. And the Leafs analogy doesn’t hold; neither management nor its players were elected.
If the Liberals really think the provinces are responsible for everything going wrong they have an actual obligation to take that fight to the provinces. Be the voice of Canada’s anger and spearhead the attack on the officials and policies that are causing the problems.
You don’t get a cookie for saying “it’s their fault” and then letting the problem continue.
There is no one single source to blame for housing issues. All levels of gov't have dropped the ball for the last number of years in various ways. We can also point the finger at NIMBY's who fight to maintain the status quo in their neighbourhoods whenever a different type of housing is proposed.
And my reply to the reply is that if that’s the extent of the Liberal’s idea of a fight and leadership, they deserve to lose.
That’s it? Problem solved?
On any issue Canadians currently care about, I can find you a dozen clear statements from Premieres laying out exactly why it’s the Federal government’s fault.
Those statements are 90% baloney, but they work because they’re the only ones showing up to the fight.
Please, point me to any statements from Trudeau clearly laying out provincial failures.
I think the lack of push back in the direction of the provinces is deliberate, at least for this moment in time. I get the sense that the Liberal team has agreed that it is not helpful for them to point fingers right now. It would be received by the public as complaining. And Poilievre would spin it at as do-nothing-complain-only Liberals.
Now, fast forward to summer 2024, the Liberals will have a massive list of projects of housing created/supported by federal programs. Then they can turn around to the provinces and say: what have you done to make this better?
And to stay with hockey terms, complaining about the provinces right now would be the Ottawa Senators complaining that they did not get the offside call in a single game when they are they are 30 points out of the play-offs.
“I get the sense that the Liberal team has agreed that it is not helpful for them to point fingers right now”
Then, and there’s no other way to say this, they’re idiots.
At best they’re relying on the media and public to make their arguments for them. But anyone who thinks it’s a good strategy to give the opposition, and make no mistake the provinces are absolutely the opposition, multiple years of free shots without pushback deserves to lose.
To stretch the hockey metaphor, if a team decides to 100% turtle in their own end until the last ten minutes of the game, how likely are they to win?
Sometimes I feel like Trudeau bought in too much to his own “Sunny Ways” slogan. He’s reflexively unable to respond in any way but cooperatively with a smile. Which is great when other people are interested in cooperating. It was a really nice change of pace not to have an inherently adversarial government. But it’s a single trick and he’s shown no ability to adjust.
Patience, my friend. Do you remember the press conference back in August where Trudeau pointed out that the federal government was not the only one responsible for housing? He was attacked from all sides with the claim that he considers housing not a federal responsibility at all. It was brutal. It was one of the reasons for the drop in Liberal support, in my opinion.
Now, in a few months the Liberals will have a much stronger argument: we have taken our responsibility, what have you done? Note that none of the obstructing premiers are part of the Fraser housing announcements.
And speaking of Fraser, I don’t think the Liberals are turtling at all on this file. They put their strongest communicator on the file and given him room to act decisively.
I am hoping a similar approach on health. Recognizing that provinces are dropping the ball, let set some standards that provinces need to meet. Additional transfers for provinces that guarantee a minimum number of family doctors per capita or manage to reduce waitlists to an acceptable time period.
All roads lead to Trudeau, as usual. It's getting ridiculous, that he is responsible for a homeless person on a Vancouver street. No, it's the province.
He’s the PM. The buck stops there. For everything. If he doesn’t like it, he should step down.
And I mean everything.
If it’s a federal responsibility he should be able to clearly articulate how he’s out in front of the issue.
If it’s a provincial or municipal responsibility he should be able to clearly articulate how he’s fighting for our interests either with or against the other levels of government.
Is that fair? Anyone who whines about fair should never get the job in the first place. It’s a job that’s 100% about actual accomplishments. Not “fair”
Canada's economy is slowly degrading. Productivity has seen negative growth for six quarters now, and forecasts for the future aren't rosy. Unfortunately, our standard of living depends largely on productivity (output per hour worked). The government is still running deficits. While Ms. Freeland says that these will "stabilize", the government has been saying that for some eight years now. And Finance's predictions are based on some quite optimistic assumptions.
What if Mr. Trump gets re-elected? That might help the Liberals beat Mr. Poilievre as an extremist and too risky. But after they win the 2025 election, Canada will be facing a wave of U.S. protectionism that risks tanking our economy, and with it, the tax money that pays for our social infrastructure -- health, education, income support. Then there would be no choice but austerity, no matter who is governing.
And we can't turn to other countries to help us out. India? China? The European Union? The Liberals have messed up foreign policy very badly, and as a result we are friendless and isolated on the world stage (apart from the U.S. of course).
We are heading for a cliff. Mr. Poilievre has no solutions, but at least he recognizes that there are problems. The Liberals? I'm not so sure.
And remember. When things go sour, it's the working class who will be the first to suffer -- more than they are suffering now.
“ Mr. Poilievre has no solutions, but at least he recognizes that there are problems.”
I think this is very key. When real problems exist the side that acknowledges them is who gets baseline credibility.
It’s a simple decision tree for voters. Round one is see who acknowledges the problem. Round two is to compare who has the best most credible solution.
No one’s going to be paying any attention to the Liberal’s (accurate) attacks on Poilievre’s bad plans because that’s a round two fight and they’ll have already lost in round one
I think that having no solutions to climate change issues, and presenting himself as a complainer on the side doesn’t qualify Poilievre as prime minister. I would hate to see how he would have handled Covid, I assume many more of us would have died. Though the liberals have done the minimum on climate, the conservative don’t even recognize any government responsibility for cutting our global footprint. They and their right flank still behave like climate change deniers
And look at the alternative to Trudeau. Although he had a makeover and lost the nerdy glasses, most women still think of Poillivre as a loser, and what has he really offered the Canadian public? Yes, he can eat an apple, yes he can complain about the other guy. But can he lead Canada to be the country we want it to be? Does he have a fucking clue about climate change? And just where is he getting his money from? Corporate interests, you say? Haven’t they gotten enough already?
If it's everyone, it's no one. It's the provinces who are responsible. And the shirkers control the cities. Recall Ontario's Mike Harris refusing federal money for housing? They wanted the feds out of it.
I am not sure about the comparison. Since the last time that the Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup there have been 17 elections, 11 of them resulted in a Liberal government. I think it would be more appropriate to compare the Liberal party to an NHL team that performs so-so during the regular season, but is always there when the play-offs (elections) are there. Not sure which team that is at the moment.
Right now it feels like the Liberals are trying to figure out what they need to do to make the play-offs that are still 1.5 years away. They cannot get too far behind. I think they have turned the corner on housing (nobody in government is complaining anymore that the provinces are not playing ball) and in a year from now they will be able to point to a long list of measures that they have implemented to improve the situation. Combined with lower interest rates, tamed inflation and specific programs like dental and childcare, that is actually not a bad record to make a play-off run.
What percentage of Canadians understand that housing is predominantly a provincial and municipal responsibility? I would be surprised that if it is more than 40%. Most Canadians have no clue judicial responsibilities are allocated between the federal government and provincial governments. That is an unfortunate reality.
The point that people here are making is that nobody is looking for a lecture on the finer subtleties of provincial and federal roles and responsibilities, they are looking for somebody who recognizes a problem and is willing to develop meaningful solutions.
Not buying any of this, if you suggest a long list of positives are all wiped out due to "housing", when the main actors is that process are provinces and municipalities. And the Leafs analogy doesn’t hold; neither management nor its players were elected.
Fine then. Let them fight that fight.
If the Liberals really think the provinces are responsible for everything going wrong they have an actual obligation to take that fight to the provinces. Be the voice of Canada’s anger and spearhead the attack on the officials and policies that are causing the problems.
You don’t get a cookie for saying “it’s their fault” and then letting the problem continue.
We can blame our provincial governments for the housing issue. If they had wanted to do something positive, they would have.
There is no one single source to blame for housing issues. All levels of gov't have dropped the ball for the last number of years in various ways. We can also point the finger at NIMBY's who fight to maintain the status quo in their neighbourhoods whenever a different type of housing is proposed.
They are -- see housing projects announced over the heads of the do-nothing premiers. Next?
I think this was meant as a reply to my comment.
And my reply to the reply is that if that’s the extent of the Liberal’s idea of a fight and leadership, they deserve to lose.
That’s it? Problem solved?
On any issue Canadians currently care about, I can find you a dozen clear statements from Premieres laying out exactly why it’s the Federal government’s fault.
Those statements are 90% baloney, but they work because they’re the only ones showing up to the fight.
Please, point me to any statements from Trudeau clearly laying out provincial failures.
I think the lack of push back in the direction of the provinces is deliberate, at least for this moment in time. I get the sense that the Liberal team has agreed that it is not helpful for them to point fingers right now. It would be received by the public as complaining. And Poilievre would spin it at as do-nothing-complain-only Liberals.
Now, fast forward to summer 2024, the Liberals will have a massive list of projects of housing created/supported by federal programs. Then they can turn around to the provinces and say: what have you done to make this better?
And to stay with hockey terms, complaining about the provinces right now would be the Ottawa Senators complaining that they did not get the offside call in a single game when they are they are 30 points out of the play-offs.
“I get the sense that the Liberal team has agreed that it is not helpful for them to point fingers right now”
Then, and there’s no other way to say this, they’re idiots.
At best they’re relying on the media and public to make their arguments for them. But anyone who thinks it’s a good strategy to give the opposition, and make no mistake the provinces are absolutely the opposition, multiple years of free shots without pushback deserves to lose.
To stretch the hockey metaphor, if a team decides to 100% turtle in their own end until the last ten minutes of the game, how likely are they to win?
Sometimes I feel like Trudeau bought in too much to his own “Sunny Ways” slogan. He’s reflexively unable to respond in any way but cooperatively with a smile. Which is great when other people are interested in cooperating. It was a really nice change of pace not to have an inherently adversarial government. But it’s a single trick and he’s shown no ability to adjust.
Patience, my friend. Do you remember the press conference back in August where Trudeau pointed out that the federal government was not the only one responsible for housing? He was attacked from all sides with the claim that he considers housing not a federal responsibility at all. It was brutal. It was one of the reasons for the drop in Liberal support, in my opinion.
Now, in a few months the Liberals will have a much stronger argument: we have taken our responsibility, what have you done? Note that none of the obstructing premiers are part of the Fraser housing announcements.
And speaking of Fraser, I don’t think the Liberals are turtling at all on this file. They put their strongest communicator on the file and given him room to act decisively.
I am hoping a similar approach on health. Recognizing that provinces are dropping the ball, let set some standards that provinces need to meet. Additional transfers for provinces that guarantee a minimum number of family doctors per capita or manage to reduce waitlists to an acceptable time period.
All roads lead to Trudeau, as usual. It's getting ridiculous, that he is responsible for a homeless person on a Vancouver street. No, it's the province.
It's everyone.
He’s the PM. The buck stops there. For everything. If he doesn’t like it, he should step down.
And I mean everything.
If it’s a federal responsibility he should be able to clearly articulate how he’s out in front of the issue.
If it’s a provincial or municipal responsibility he should be able to clearly articulate how he’s fighting for our interests either with or against the other levels of government.
Is that fair? Anyone who whines about fair should never get the job in the first place. It’s a job that’s 100% about actual accomplishments. Not “fair”
To coin a phrase: "It's the economy, stupid!"
Canada's economy is slowly degrading. Productivity has seen negative growth for six quarters now, and forecasts for the future aren't rosy. Unfortunately, our standard of living depends largely on productivity (output per hour worked). The government is still running deficits. While Ms. Freeland says that these will "stabilize", the government has been saying that for some eight years now. And Finance's predictions are based on some quite optimistic assumptions.
What if Mr. Trump gets re-elected? That might help the Liberals beat Mr. Poilievre as an extremist and too risky. But after they win the 2025 election, Canada will be facing a wave of U.S. protectionism that risks tanking our economy, and with it, the tax money that pays for our social infrastructure -- health, education, income support. Then there would be no choice but austerity, no matter who is governing.
And we can't turn to other countries to help us out. India? China? The European Union? The Liberals have messed up foreign policy very badly, and as a result we are friendless and isolated on the world stage (apart from the U.S. of course).
We are heading for a cliff. Mr. Poilievre has no solutions, but at least he recognizes that there are problems. The Liberals? I'm not so sure.
And remember. When things go sour, it's the working class who will be the first to suffer -- more than they are suffering now.
“ Mr. Poilievre has no solutions, but at least he recognizes that there are problems.”
I think this is very key. When real problems exist the side that acknowledges them is who gets baseline credibility.
It’s a simple decision tree for voters. Round one is see who acknowledges the problem. Round two is to compare who has the best most credible solution.
No one’s going to be paying any attention to the Liberal’s (accurate) attacks on Poilievre’s bad plans because that’s a round two fight and they’ll have already lost in round one
I think that having no solutions to climate change issues, and presenting himself as a complainer on the side doesn’t qualify Poilievre as prime minister. I would hate to see how he would have handled Covid, I assume many more of us would have died. Though the liberals have done the minimum on climate, the conservative don’t even recognize any government responsibility for cutting our global footprint. They and their right flank still behave like climate change deniers
And look at the alternative to Trudeau. Although he had a makeover and lost the nerdy glasses, most women still think of Poillivre as a loser, and what has he really offered the Canadian public? Yes, he can eat an apple, yes he can complain about the other guy. But can he lead Canada to be the country we want it to be? Does he have a fucking clue about climate change? And just where is he getting his money from? Corporate interests, you say? Haven’t they gotten enough already?
If it's everyone, it's no one. It's the provinces who are responsible. And the shirkers control the cities. Recall Ontario's Mike Harris refusing federal money for housing? They wanted the feds out of it.
You know this. I know this. Most people on this comment board know this.
The general public does not know this or does not care. They have been convinced there is a problem and want somebody to do something.
.. someone asked me a valid question yesterday.. If Poilievre wins his Riding in October 2025
& the CPC in the aggregate win enough seats to Form Government.. who would be Minister of Finance.. and why ?
My response ? Likely the current ‘Shadow Minister’. I don’t recall who that is currently..
My immediate question was - What Economy has Mr Poilievre ever ‘Managed’ aside from his own ?
Same re whomever he might designate .. or be told by his betters who shall be - so designated
We can speculate like this throughout all the Ministries..
Personally - I believe Ms Freeland is only ‘electable’ within her Riding & never as a successor to Mr Trudeau
Her unfortunate personal ‘quirk’ on camera is just that - & I find it astonishing she cannot address this
That aside she has other distressing ‘entanglements’ - such as her Role leading The Lima Group
I also maintain ‘if we don’t ask the correct ‘questions’ - what are the ‘answers’ worth ?
How about - What percentage of OPP or RCMP or Civic Police Forces or Military are Corrupt ?
What is the ‘state of Insider Trading’ within the ranks of Elected Public Servants ?
What prevents Andrew Scheer from revealing National Security Briefs to Pierre Poilievre - if anything ?
What role did Mr Poilievre play in The RoboCall Election Fraud with Jenni Byrne ? They split up just prior, why ?
How are Canadians’ Perceptions being groomed by obvious Yellow Media
Where was Pierre Poilievre since last seen in public ?
ps.. The Government of Canada has every Right & Responsibility to Inquire on Behalf of Canadians
regarding Dishonest Behaviour, Deceit, Malicious Propaganda, Malfeasance & Report Publicly
We now have Premiers with Majority Governments Legislating Immunity from their Actions
- See Doug Ford, Michelle Smith & Scott Moe - these are Pulitzer Prize Level Re Investigation ..
but are we seeing ‘Courtesy Passes’ issued to the likes of former Interim CPC leader Candice Bergen ?
What was her Level of Security & Briefings during the Ottawa Convoy & Occupation
while communicating with their Leaders & Advisors via BackChannels ?
I am not sure about the comparison. Since the last time that the Maple Leafs won the Stanley Cup there have been 17 elections, 11 of them resulted in a Liberal government. I think it would be more appropriate to compare the Liberal party to an NHL team that performs so-so during the regular season, but is always there when the play-offs (elections) are there. Not sure which team that is at the moment.
Right now it feels like the Liberals are trying to figure out what they need to do to make the play-offs that are still 1.5 years away. They cannot get too far behind. I think they have turned the corner on housing (nobody in government is complaining anymore that the provinces are not playing ball) and in a year from now they will be able to point to a long list of measures that they have implemented to improve the situation. Combined with lower interest rates, tamed inflation and specific programs like dental and childcare, that is actually not a bad record to make a play-off run.
Go back to school. Take a history course that might teach you how jurisdiction was developed. Done with you.
What percentage of Canadians understand that housing is predominantly a provincial and municipal responsibility? I would be surprised that if it is more than 40%. Most Canadians have no clue judicial responsibilities are allocated between the federal government and provincial governments. That is an unfortunate reality.
The point that people here are making is that nobody is looking for a lecture on the finer subtleties of provincial and federal roles and responsibilities, they are looking for somebody who recognizes a problem and is willing to develop meaningful solutions.
Absolutely! But I know the feds have been working with my municipal government to increase housing stock, while the provincial govt has done nothing.