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Jake's avatar

The interesting thing is that the Ontario NDP has done the same thing in shutting down internal debate over the party's future - more successfully, actually, since there was never a leadership race to begin with. The ONDP was able to salvage 31 seats, and that's still 4 times as many as the OLP, so it was easier to paper over the disaster and continue like business as usual despite having lost 40% of its raw vote from 2018. I find both the OLP and ONDP to be exceedingly arrogant in that they both think the other is incapable of galvanizing opposition to Ford, and as a result, they will be able to assume that mantle as the main anti-Ford choice by default. The problem with both parties executing this strategy in 2022 is that neither party assumed that mantle in the public's eye, and they both got slaughtered.

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Ryan H's avatar

You missed the single biggest data point for your own argument. The provincial arms of the Liberal party have already collapsed everywhere except Ontario.

And if Ontario also collapses, I wonder how long the party remains viable Federally? It’s a lot easier to convince people they are NDP voters when they are already voting NDP provincially. And a lot harder to maintain a volunteer and donor base when that base splits their time supporting someone else provincially.

The NDP might be floundering and unserious Federally, but provincially they are far more vital and growing than the Liberals. Maybe their path to eclipsing the Liberals federally runs through simply outlasting them?

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