“Do I like the fact that a bunch of socially progressive, liberal minded voters are likely going to vote for Poilievre next time? No. Do I get why? Of course.”
As a pragmatic progressive non-partisan voter, I’d like someone to explain to me why any socially progressive, liberal minded voter would consider an “axe the tax,” anti-2SLGBTQ+ “parental rights,” anti-immigration, anti-vaccination, pro-spending cuts Poilievre government a reasonable option.
Can someone please make this make sense? Does it simply boil down to the belief that Poilievre’s policies would ensure that they have more money, and to hell with anyone else? If so, how does that square with progressive values? I honestly don’t understand why any progressive voter would feel like CPC is a viable option.
Poilievre has been going around for years saying "I'll make sure more homes get built", and Singh has at the same time been going around saying "my number one priority on housing is that nobody makes a profit building a home". People need places to live.
People do need places to live, but our housing shortage has been decades in the making, and is unlikely to be solved by any federal government alone. Housing is a complex problem that’s going to take years of multidisciplinary, multi jurisdiction action to solve. We need more skilled tradespeople, we need better municipal processes for approvals (without putting the safety of the build at risk), we need to combat NIMBY resistance to increased density neighborhoods, and we need all levels of government working together. So far, I haven’t seen anything from Mr Poilievre that would constitute a viable plan. Honestly, I haven’t seen a viable plan from any of the parties that shows they understand the complexity of this issue. I know people want (and need) fast, easy solutions…but that’s not likely to solve any complex problem.
That's all true, yeah! But if you care about housing, however incomplete his plans Poilievre has been making it very clear that it's going to be a priority for him, while the Liberals have only very recently woken up and Singh has been going around making it clear that if it was up to him, he'd make the problem worse.
"I find Pierre distasteful but he's the only one who seems to take the country's biggest and most pressing issue seriously" is a harder choice than it should be.
Personally, I find his “only I can solve your problems” strongman schtick annoying…but I can see why it appeals to people in our current political climate. I do wonder how people will feel when his sloganeering doesn’t solve their very real, very serious housing issues once he’s in power.
FWIW, I often wonder the same about the NDP — if they were ever to hold power, they’d have to grapple with the realities of governance, which is much more difficult than complaining and selling unicorns to people who don’t always understand the issues. It’s the same old same old, I guess…governance is about compromise, opposition is about complaining…and the solutions to the country’s problems often seem like an afterthought to political leaders.
As James Carville once said: "It's the economy, stupid." No, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm simply emphasizing what matter to most Canadians today, including people who would line up with you on social issues.
When you can't find a place to live, or if you do, it costs more than 60% of what you earn, you prioritize housing. When you have trouble feeding your family, you focus on food prices -- and while Galen Weston is easy to hate, even if his income is reduced to zero, it won't make a material difference on what you pay at the cash.
Oh, and if you want an immediate reduction in grocery bills, how about dismantling supply management?
In my view, the NDP no longer cares about the issues that are priorities for the working class. So the working class is looking elsewhere.
Agree, I like the NDP but Singh must go and Rachel Notley should have stayed, but Alberta voters don’t know a good politician when they see one. Instead they voted Kenney who was part of the Harper regime that changed the equalization formula to benefit/help Quebec. Those 💩 voters don’t know anything about politics. It was a embarrassing slap to Alberta being that ridiculous to vote in the very man who changed the equalization formula Alberta rural/gas/corporations hate so much, it made Alberta look as stupid as they obviously are on politics. Media has burned a hole and misinformed people or not informed people just like Putin and Hitler did/has by controlling media. We must fund cbc more not less. The federal NDP still owes provincial NDP money. Singh and Charlie are bad for the NDP. When I see the NDP crap on the liberals I think does the fate of our democracy mean nothing? Over hate? Harper was 100% worse for Canada, he was never in Canada, he was in dictatorship countries teaching the Arthur Finkelstein method of venom, Harper, Trump and other dictators have sucked the goodness out of our countries. We almost don’t have a chance to keep our democracy if people don’t throw any their hate. My life already ruined and robbed by rcons, yet how do I fight or get them charged? It’s criminal how they harm us, but people are too busy hating. Our youth are in danger, these parents voting for Pierre will get the slap of their lives. Canada needs the basics of politics taught, we have a lot of uninformed people on politics. They listen to uninformed parents aka haters. In this situation and society we need to vote for the better person, no one politician is perfect. If the liberals don’t stay we are doomed and in a dictatorship. Young men subjected to war and/or persecution, people lead to poverty. As we are already in provinces. Someone needs to bring back the progressive conservatives and kick these reformed conservatives out to Russia. I feel safe under the liberals but terrified under these reformed conservatives who do not have anyone’s back except for big corporations. We are in a dark time, as a hard worker who lost it all bc of rcons saying they didn’t need my vote. Try losing everything? Then come back and say the liberals are worse when it’s these Rcons ripping out our lives in a cruel way. Corruption under these new conservatives have separated friends and families then put the blame on the liberals. Trudeau I heard isn’t planning on staying the whole next term, but it doesn’t matter who it is, the prairies will always complain and whine but violate the leader unless it’s their darn conservatives that they don’t realize were hi jacked. Stupidity is the new pandemic.
The only path for electoral success for the NDP is to claim each and every progressive policy of the Liberals as their own. $10 childcare, NDP made that happen. Dental care, NDP forced the Liberals to do it. None of it is true, but in today’s politics that does not matter.
Obviously there is zero chance that Singh and his NDP will do this. As a result, we will likely see a significant amount of NDP voters go over to the Liberals to prevent a Poilievre government.
And when it comes to Galen Weston Bad, if fully expect the Liberals to force more competition for supermarkets. Right now there is this dance with the code of conduct and so on. This will fail, but give the Liberals the cover to directly mess with the free market.
.. The NDP became ‘Instantly Dead To Me’ upon Jagmeet Singh’s stupefying ‘Ascension as ‘Leader
They now appear to represent a stupefying ‘coin flip’ reality of either Disastrous Vote Splitting or Preventive Medicine versus The poisonous Parasitic Corruption of Harper Inc Poilievre
Federal NDP needs to take some cues from their provincial frenemies and follow what works in the most provinces. Also, I'm suggesting to every Federal NDP involved person I meet that Fed NDP needs a climate plan without personal carbon tax, and let the Liberals carry that on their neck.
Why is there no talk about uniting the left anymore, even when the NDP/Liberal agreement is demonstrably an island of relatively functional sanity/stability, ESPECIALLY when compared to the politically insane "gamer" culture the conservatives have very deliberately created? It's a culture of boys, FOR boys, that reminds us that the root of that word is "cult." Like any video game, it's characterized by an obsessive, blind focus on destroying the enemy, in this case Justin Trudeau.
It's the Proud Boys gone wild to become the Convoy Party of Canada, an embarrassingly derivative and wannabe version of the right wing insurrection by the GOP, and the likes of Harper's legion of "boys in short pants" are actually being TRAINED, and are chomping at the bit. It can be seen as a protracted backlash against not only progressivism but feminism, i.e. normal societal evolution. By relentlessly disparaging virtually any changes as "wokeism," the right has manufactured a full-on devolution (backwards direction) of society masked as a faux REVOLUTION, or forward direction.
So under such unprecedented and alarmingly "post-truth" circumstances, how is Canada's current political situation NOT a textbook case of the narcissism of small differences? It all comes down to taking your head out of your ass and applying basic math, because our politics is binary like never before in our history. Never. And good vs. evil is no exaggeration when the fucktard conservatives stupidly and persistently DENY climate change.
To use Mark Zuckerberg's words, (and he's no democrat, probably describes himself as "non-partisan" though, grinning above the fray while he pulls all the strings) they have very deliberately been "moving fast and breaking things" in no small part by "flooding that zone with bullshit" as recommended by Steve Bannon when it comes to the media. And "social" media has made the damage to common civility and basic truth exponential with manipulative algorithms, creating hordes of newly entertained and engaged "low-information voters."
Since politics is truly existential now, being binary should also simplify things enormously, i.e. ABC, anything but conservatives. Everything else is just noise.
One of the challenges the federal wing of the NDP have is that they don't have a regional base. The CPC can always count of certain parts of the country to support them, and the same for the Liberals. The NDP just have a handful of places across the country that support them through thick and thin.
It didn’t help that the federal NDP have latched themselves to the most unpopular federal government in recent history. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but signing on to the confidence and supply agreement gave away any pretense in the minds of a lot of Canadians that the NDP was an opposition willing to stand up to the federal Liberal government. The Conservatives are filling that void quite effectively at the moment.
“Do I like the fact that a bunch of socially progressive, liberal minded voters are likely going to vote for Poilievre next time? No. Do I get why? Of course.”
As a pragmatic progressive non-partisan voter, I’d like someone to explain to me why any socially progressive, liberal minded voter would consider an “axe the tax,” anti-2SLGBTQ+ “parental rights,” anti-immigration, anti-vaccination, pro-spending cuts Poilievre government a reasonable option.
Can someone please make this make sense? Does it simply boil down to the belief that Poilievre’s policies would ensure that they have more money, and to hell with anyone else? If so, how does that square with progressive values? I honestly don’t understand why any progressive voter would feel like CPC is a viable option.
Poilievre has been going around for years saying "I'll make sure more homes get built", and Singh has at the same time been going around saying "my number one priority on housing is that nobody makes a profit building a home". People need places to live.
People do need places to live, but our housing shortage has been decades in the making, and is unlikely to be solved by any federal government alone. Housing is a complex problem that’s going to take years of multidisciplinary, multi jurisdiction action to solve. We need more skilled tradespeople, we need better municipal processes for approvals (without putting the safety of the build at risk), we need to combat NIMBY resistance to increased density neighborhoods, and we need all levels of government working together. So far, I haven’t seen anything from Mr Poilievre that would constitute a viable plan. Honestly, I haven’t seen a viable plan from any of the parties that shows they understand the complexity of this issue. I know people want (and need) fast, easy solutions…but that’s not likely to solve any complex problem.
That's all true, yeah! But if you care about housing, however incomplete his plans Poilievre has been making it very clear that it's going to be a priority for him, while the Liberals have only very recently woken up and Singh has been going around making it clear that if it was up to him, he'd make the problem worse.
"I find Pierre distasteful but he's the only one who seems to take the country's biggest and most pressing issue seriously" is a harder choice than it should be.
Agreed.
Personally, I find his “only I can solve your problems” strongman schtick annoying…but I can see why it appeals to people in our current political climate. I do wonder how people will feel when his sloganeering doesn’t solve their very real, very serious housing issues once he’s in power.
FWIW, I often wonder the same about the NDP — if they were ever to hold power, they’d have to grapple with the realities of governance, which is much more difficult than complaining and selling unicorns to people who don’t always understand the issues. It’s the same old same old, I guess…governance is about compromise, opposition is about complaining…and the solutions to the country’s problems often seem like an afterthought to political leaders.
As James Carville once said: "It's the economy, stupid." No, I'm not calling you stupid, I'm simply emphasizing what matter to most Canadians today, including people who would line up with you on social issues.
When you can't find a place to live, or if you do, it costs more than 60% of what you earn, you prioritize housing. When you have trouble feeding your family, you focus on food prices -- and while Galen Weston is easy to hate, even if his income is reduced to zero, it won't make a material difference on what you pay at the cash.
Oh, and if you want an immediate reduction in grocery bills, how about dismantling supply management?
In my view, the NDP no longer cares about the issues that are priorities for the working class. So the working class is looking elsewhere.
Agree, I like the NDP but Singh must go and Rachel Notley should have stayed, but Alberta voters don’t know a good politician when they see one. Instead they voted Kenney who was part of the Harper regime that changed the equalization formula to benefit/help Quebec. Those 💩 voters don’t know anything about politics. It was a embarrassing slap to Alberta being that ridiculous to vote in the very man who changed the equalization formula Alberta rural/gas/corporations hate so much, it made Alberta look as stupid as they obviously are on politics. Media has burned a hole and misinformed people or not informed people just like Putin and Hitler did/has by controlling media. We must fund cbc more not less. The federal NDP still owes provincial NDP money. Singh and Charlie are bad for the NDP. When I see the NDP crap on the liberals I think does the fate of our democracy mean nothing? Over hate? Harper was 100% worse for Canada, he was never in Canada, he was in dictatorship countries teaching the Arthur Finkelstein method of venom, Harper, Trump and other dictators have sucked the goodness out of our countries. We almost don’t have a chance to keep our democracy if people don’t throw any their hate. My life already ruined and robbed by rcons, yet how do I fight or get them charged? It’s criminal how they harm us, but people are too busy hating. Our youth are in danger, these parents voting for Pierre will get the slap of their lives. Canada needs the basics of politics taught, we have a lot of uninformed people on politics. They listen to uninformed parents aka haters. In this situation and society we need to vote for the better person, no one politician is perfect. If the liberals don’t stay we are doomed and in a dictatorship. Young men subjected to war and/or persecution, people lead to poverty. As we are already in provinces. Someone needs to bring back the progressive conservatives and kick these reformed conservatives out to Russia. I feel safe under the liberals but terrified under these reformed conservatives who do not have anyone’s back except for big corporations. We are in a dark time, as a hard worker who lost it all bc of rcons saying they didn’t need my vote. Try losing everything? Then come back and say the liberals are worse when it’s these Rcons ripping out our lives in a cruel way. Corruption under these new conservatives have separated friends and families then put the blame on the liberals. Trudeau I heard isn’t planning on staying the whole next term, but it doesn’t matter who it is, the prairies will always complain and whine but violate the leader unless it’s their darn conservatives that they don’t realize were hi jacked. Stupidity is the new pandemic.
The only path for electoral success for the NDP is to claim each and every progressive policy of the Liberals as their own. $10 childcare, NDP made that happen. Dental care, NDP forced the Liberals to do it. None of it is true, but in today’s politics that does not matter.
Obviously there is zero chance that Singh and his NDP will do this. As a result, we will likely see a significant amount of NDP voters go over to the Liberals to prevent a Poilievre government.
And when it comes to Galen Weston Bad, if fully expect the Liberals to force more competition for supermarkets. Right now there is this dance with the code of conduct and so on. This will fail, but give the Liberals the cover to directly mess with the free market.
.. The NDP became ‘Instantly Dead To Me’ upon Jagmeet Singh’s stupefying ‘Ascension as ‘Leader
They now appear to represent a stupefying ‘coin flip’ reality of either Disastrous Vote Splitting or Preventive Medicine versus The poisonous Parasitic Corruption of Harper Inc Poilievre
small edit:
The federal NDP are a fucking joke, they’re an incoherent mess at a time when the country needs them NOT to be.
–or–
The federal NDP are a fucking joke, they’re an incoherent mess at a time when the country needs them.
Federal NDP needs to take some cues from their provincial frenemies and follow what works in the most provinces. Also, I'm suggesting to every Federal NDP involved person I meet that Fed NDP needs a climate plan without personal carbon tax, and let the Liberals carry that on their neck.
Why is there no talk about uniting the left anymore, even when the NDP/Liberal agreement is demonstrably an island of relatively functional sanity/stability, ESPECIALLY when compared to the politically insane "gamer" culture the conservatives have very deliberately created? It's a culture of boys, FOR boys, that reminds us that the root of that word is "cult." Like any video game, it's characterized by an obsessive, blind focus on destroying the enemy, in this case Justin Trudeau.
It's the Proud Boys gone wild to become the Convoy Party of Canada, an embarrassingly derivative and wannabe version of the right wing insurrection by the GOP, and the likes of Harper's legion of "boys in short pants" are actually being TRAINED, and are chomping at the bit. It can be seen as a protracted backlash against not only progressivism but feminism, i.e. normal societal evolution. By relentlessly disparaging virtually any changes as "wokeism," the right has manufactured a full-on devolution (backwards direction) of society masked as a faux REVOLUTION, or forward direction.
So under such unprecedented and alarmingly "post-truth" circumstances, how is Canada's current political situation NOT a textbook case of the narcissism of small differences? It all comes down to taking your head out of your ass and applying basic math, because our politics is binary like never before in our history. Never. And good vs. evil is no exaggeration when the fucktard conservatives stupidly and persistently DENY climate change.
To use Mark Zuckerberg's words, (and he's no democrat, probably describes himself as "non-partisan" though, grinning above the fray while he pulls all the strings) they have very deliberately been "moving fast and breaking things" in no small part by "flooding that zone with bullshit" as recommended by Steve Bannon when it comes to the media. And "social" media has made the damage to common civility and basic truth exponential with manipulative algorithms, creating hordes of newly entertained and engaged "low-information voters."
Since politics is truly existential now, being binary should also simplify things enormously, i.e. ABC, anything but conservatives. Everything else is just noise.
One of the challenges the federal wing of the NDP have is that they don't have a regional base. The CPC can always count of certain parts of the country to support them, and the same for the Liberals. The NDP just have a handful of places across the country that support them through thick and thin.
The federal wing of the NDP should just fold their tent and join Justin's team.
It didn’t help that the federal NDP have latched themselves to the most unpopular federal government in recent history. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time, but signing on to the confidence and supply agreement gave away any pretense in the minds of a lot of Canadians that the NDP was an opposition willing to stand up to the federal Liberal government. The Conservatives are filling that void quite effectively at the moment.
*not all Albertans
* if people don’t throw away their taught hate
Galen Weston is like that $2.49 loaf of bread you find in the bargain bin for a dollar. How can you hate him.