I am convinced that this Diagolon pit stop was planned. Poilievre shows on a regular basis that the convoy crowd are his people. Not too often, but just often enough to keep them in the CPC camp. Come an election, these people would normally vote PPC or stay home. Poilievre needs them to go from 38% to 43% support in the polls. The question of course is if this will also be the case on election day, but right now it is helpful for Poilievre to be at 43% and not 38%.
Now, what also is true is that Poilievre is undisciplined and thin skinned. Showing up possibly drunk and certainly disheveled is undisciplined. Being completely uninterested in what these people had to say is a missed opportunity. He is unable to have any form of dialogue and sticks to axe the tax type slogans. In effect, the pit stop is completely underwhelming, but I guess the real goal was already achieved by just making the stop and giving these losers just a bit of attention.
So far it does not seem to hurt Poilievre. And that should not only worry Liberal supporters.
[Addition]:
The Liberals need to be careful not to fall into the trap that was discussed here before. The visit was not only deliberate for the reason described above, but also to change the conversation away from the budget.
There are several polls published now regarding the individual measures in the budget. All the individual measures are polling positive with wide margins. The government, while low in popularity, is implementing highly popular policy changes. The Liberals are not getting the credit (yet), but the public is telling them that they are on the right path.
In this situation there is nothing Poilievre and his former girlfriend want more than going back to identity politics and accusing each other of supporting some odious group. Any minute that we are talking about Diagolon is a minute that we are not talking about housing measures. And that is perfectly fine for Poilievre.
Which brings me to the following hypothesis. The pit stop was deliberate, but planned at the last minute. Poilievre had already tuned out for the day and got sufficiently intoxicated in the back of the SUV when he got the call from Byrne: “Pierre, I have a great idea on how we get everybody stop talking about the budget, just take the next exit and have a chat with some protesters”.
As usual, given an inch people almost always take the mile. Clearly "protesting" has become its own thing for the sake of it, so we'll start seeing limits imposed soon; the mayor of Brampton has started with that.
It's surprising to see university students showing such a lack of critical thinking ability on the Gaza war. Hamas could stop the whole thing months ago by giving up what's left of the hostages, if there even ARE any, or coming out of their tunnels and surrendering because they're clearly outgunned, but they have chosen not to, despite all their "people" being killed as collateral damage. Hiding in tunnels underneath them is uniquely awful.
The religion delusion is never mentioned either despite being a factor on BOTH sides. With Hamas, they're jihadists, and as Sam Harris says, "there's no living with jihadists," which is Islamic bullshit, also choosing not to stop the whole mess that they DID start, is because they want to "martyr" themselves. These guys are nuts. And the Israelis are using THEIR god's sanction as a reason to settle where they are.
But there are levels of barbarism and monstrosity to simplify this long-standing blood feud over land. Only ONE side cut off women's breasts and played catch with them, also apparently shot some in the face WHILE raping them, etc. etc. AND took BABIES hostage FFS. Killed 1200 for sport and bragged about it, filmed it. That side is the worst, hands down, and even with two different religious delusions, THEIRS is also THE worst in a bad field.
So all those people wearing a fucking Palestinian headscarf and "protesting" righteously are ignorant fools. The issue is far from being as black and white as the headgear.
I am maybe a bit dissolutional but I think we could be still concerned for Palestilians without being pro-Hamas. The Hamas is a barbaric movment. There is no debate here. However, there are still several thousands of people who have died on both sides. This is long standing conflict that have started way before last October and where both sides have blood on their hands.
The vast majority of "pro-palestinians" are standing up for basic human dignity and rights. There's been a lot of conflating that with support for Hamas and that's a contorted view of the whole situation, supported by those with a vested interest in the status quo (like Netanyahu and his fellow racists). The IDF practically welcomed Hamas across the border and now they're using them as an excuse to exact retribution across the middle east. In Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and doubling down on abductions and displacement in the West Bank. If you think for one second this is still about Hamas you've fell for it, I'm sorry. Israel has a nuclear armed, extremely well financed, military machine - they don't need to carpet bomb civilians to be safe. Quite the contrary, it's increasingly clear they've ensured this cycle of violence will only ratchet up if not continue in earnest for years to come.
Diagolon, Maple MAGA, Incels, Christine Anderson, Victor Orban, Modi, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson. These are all in Poilievre's ideological wheelhouse.
One wonders how Ana must feel knowing her husband is taking selfies and joking with the Diagalon leader who threatened to sexually assault her. Poilievre only condemned Diagalon after seeing Jeremy Mackenzie on camera making threats against his wife, he didn't condemn him for his neoNaziness. If Poilievre is asleep at the switch, his handlers should know better but I have a hunch they are all Okay with this.
Poilievre and his team are completely okay with it. It is deliberate. And even Ana is probably okay with it as the end justifies the means. She is just as political as her husband.
So far it would seem that the more sane people are not withdrawing their support from the CPC because they pander for the support from the Alex Jones types. As long as that is the case, Poilievre and his team will try to keep their support.
Poilievre is a self identified liberal from 25 years ago, which is what every conservative in this country is. An extension of the delusional fiscally conservative socially liberal uni party solely interested in the benefit of themselves at Canadians expenses.
No, on the contrary Mackenna, Poilievre is nowhere near those types. He had to be forced to say he was against the lockdowns. He had to be forced to say he supported Danielle Smith. He literally bent his knees to the Sikhs yesterday, has an immigrant wife and still refuses to discuss immigration, which the only two occasions he did, claims he wants more and faster than currently. I wish Poilievre was the monster you think he was, but no. He is a spineless social liberal like the vast majority of insular managerial troglodytes.
Why in the face of Poilievre's visit to the extremist right wing group whose leader has openly stated that he would like to rape Poilievre's wife, are we still touting him as the countries next leader. Have more faith in the intelligence of Canadians. Polls are just a small segment of the whole of Canada and who do they represent? The emphasis on polls is overriding what really needs to be talked about which is, what are the platforms of each party and how do they plan to make good on their promises. if Poilievre is allowed to continue calling Trudeau a liar instead of revealing how he plans to run the country, especially in the areas of climate change and social programs I believe Canadians will wake up and vote sensibly.
I guess you can't or don't read. Poilievre shut down an investigation into his using hashtags to appeal to white supremacists and incels (men who hate women) and he chose to take selfies with the far right creep who threatened to sexually assault his wife. Someone needs soap. It ain't Christian.
Really? You want a male chauvinistic party? You like men who take away a women’s rights? Have you ever worked under these reformed conservatives? Let me tell you the abuses are happening
lol it doesn’t make a lot of sense to claim that someone is « far left » only because he stated that you follow conservative substack. I guess it is indeed a slow day in PP troll farm 🙄😂
I totally agree with you that odds are in favour of conservative but it doesn’t mean that we cannot ask questions about Polievre’s positions/the people he chose/not chose to associate with. Have a great evening
One scrawled Diagolon logo ( maybe a scuba diving flag) drawn on the inside of a door panel and this is enough? So what about the “kill all the Jews “ guys screaming at a “pro Palestinian “ demonstration. Are they all like that or is it one nut?
Lefties gotta decide. Does one person speak for the whole group or not ? Hypocrisy is wild for the lefties.
Brittlestar made the suggestion recently that maybe Poilievre doesn’t actually want to win… hence this seemingly unfathomable gaffe or lapse of judgement on both his and his handlers. Otherwise the
guy is an actual moron ( or Wacko to use the current jargon) and we are all doomed
With all due respect, Eric, what are you talking about? I don’t know if this is boomer and Gen X thing to not understand the internet, but Diagolon is a joke. It is a nonexistent country the same way “Kekistan” was a fictitious country by 4channers who’d film themselves in public asking them if they’d support a “free kekistan”. The joke is that a diagonal line from Alaska to Florida would separate from Canada and the U.S.. Four out of five court cases against Jeremy Mackenzie have been dropped because they were nonsense to begin with. I have to ask you very seriously, because I’m genuinely concerned; where are you getting this information from? Because it seems like we live in completely alternative realities. Do Canadians really only watch CBC?
I am convinced that this Diagolon pit stop was planned. Poilievre shows on a regular basis that the convoy crowd are his people. Not too often, but just often enough to keep them in the CPC camp. Come an election, these people would normally vote PPC or stay home. Poilievre needs them to go from 38% to 43% support in the polls. The question of course is if this will also be the case on election day, but right now it is helpful for Poilievre to be at 43% and not 38%.
Now, what also is true is that Poilievre is undisciplined and thin skinned. Showing up possibly drunk and certainly disheveled is undisciplined. Being completely uninterested in what these people had to say is a missed opportunity. He is unable to have any form of dialogue and sticks to axe the tax type slogans. In effect, the pit stop is completely underwhelming, but I guess the real goal was already achieved by just making the stop and giving these losers just a bit of attention.
So far it does not seem to hurt Poilievre. And that should not only worry Liberal supporters.
[Addition]:
The Liberals need to be careful not to fall into the trap that was discussed here before. The visit was not only deliberate for the reason described above, but also to change the conversation away from the budget.
There are several polls published now regarding the individual measures in the budget. All the individual measures are polling positive with wide margins. The government, while low in popularity, is implementing highly popular policy changes. The Liberals are not getting the credit (yet), but the public is telling them that they are on the right path.
In this situation there is nothing Poilievre and his former girlfriend want more than going back to identity politics and accusing each other of supporting some odious group. Any minute that we are talking about Diagolon is a minute that we are not talking about housing measures. And that is perfectly fine for Poilievre.
Which brings me to the following hypothesis. The pit stop was deliberate, but planned at the last minute. Poilievre had already tuned out for the day and got sufficiently intoxicated in the back of the SUV when he got the call from Byrne: “Pierre, I have a great idea on how we get everybody stop talking about the budget, just take the next exit and have a chat with some protesters”.
As usual, the intellectual gymnastic of today's conservative is hillarious.
Freedom convoy protests: They should not stop because of some extremism elements that could be dealt with seperately.
Pro-palestilian protests: They should be totally shut down because of some extremist elements.
As usual, given an inch people almost always take the mile. Clearly "protesting" has become its own thing for the sake of it, so we'll start seeing limits imposed soon; the mayor of Brampton has started with that.
It's surprising to see university students showing such a lack of critical thinking ability on the Gaza war. Hamas could stop the whole thing months ago by giving up what's left of the hostages, if there even ARE any, or coming out of their tunnels and surrendering because they're clearly outgunned, but they have chosen not to, despite all their "people" being killed as collateral damage. Hiding in tunnels underneath them is uniquely awful.
The religion delusion is never mentioned either despite being a factor on BOTH sides. With Hamas, they're jihadists, and as Sam Harris says, "there's no living with jihadists," which is Islamic bullshit, also choosing not to stop the whole mess that they DID start, is because they want to "martyr" themselves. These guys are nuts. And the Israelis are using THEIR god's sanction as a reason to settle where they are.
But there are levels of barbarism and monstrosity to simplify this long-standing blood feud over land. Only ONE side cut off women's breasts and played catch with them, also apparently shot some in the face WHILE raping them, etc. etc. AND took BABIES hostage FFS. Killed 1200 for sport and bragged about it, filmed it. That side is the worst, hands down, and even with two different religious delusions, THEIRS is also THE worst in a bad field.
So all those people wearing a fucking Palestinian headscarf and "protesting" righteously are ignorant fools. The issue is far from being as black and white as the headgear.
I am maybe a bit dissolutional but I think we could be still concerned for Palestilians without being pro-Hamas. The Hamas is a barbaric movment. There is no debate here. However, there are still several thousands of people who have died on both sides. This is long standing conflict that have started way before last October and where both sides have blood on their hands.
The vast majority of "pro-palestinians" are standing up for basic human dignity and rights. There's been a lot of conflating that with support for Hamas and that's a contorted view of the whole situation, supported by those with a vested interest in the status quo (like Netanyahu and his fellow racists). The IDF practically welcomed Hamas across the border and now they're using them as an excuse to exact retribution across the middle east. In Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, and doubling down on abductions and displacement in the West Bank. If you think for one second this is still about Hamas you've fell for it, I'm sorry. Israel has a nuclear armed, extremely well financed, military machine - they don't need to carpet bomb civilians to be safe. Quite the contrary, it's increasingly clear they've ensured this cycle of violence will only ratchet up if not continue in earnest for years to come.
Diagolon, Maple MAGA, Incels, Christine Anderson, Victor Orban, Modi, Alex Jones, Jordan Peterson, Tucker Carlson. These are all in Poilievre's ideological wheelhouse.
One wonders how Ana must feel knowing her husband is taking selfies and joking with the Diagalon leader who threatened to sexually assault her. Poilievre only condemned Diagalon after seeing Jeremy Mackenzie on camera making threats against his wife, he didn't condemn him for his neoNaziness. If Poilievre is asleep at the switch, his handlers should know better but I have a hunch they are all Okay with this.
Poilievre and his team are completely okay with it. It is deliberate. And even Ana is probably okay with it as the end justifies the means. She is just as political as her husband.
So far it would seem that the more sane people are not withdrawing their support from the CPC because they pander for the support from the Alex Jones types. As long as that is the case, Poilievre and his team will try to keep their support.
Poilievre is a self identified liberal from 25 years ago, which is what every conservative in this country is. An extension of the delusional fiscally conservative socially liberal uni party solely interested in the benefit of themselves at Canadians expenses.
I like your Proud Boy look.
No, on the contrary Mackenna, Poilievre is nowhere near those types. He had to be forced to say he was against the lockdowns. He had to be forced to say he supported Danielle Smith. He literally bent his knees to the Sikhs yesterday, has an immigrant wife and still refuses to discuss immigration, which the only two occasions he did, claims he wants more and faster than currently. I wish Poilievre was the monster you think he was, but no. He is a spineless social liberal like the vast majority of insular managerial troglodytes.
You're an idiot.
You are completely information-siloed and live in a bubble. Your understanding of Canadian politics is juvenile.
Why in the face of Poilievre's visit to the extremist right wing group whose leader has openly stated that he would like to rape Poilievre's wife, are we still touting him as the countries next leader. Have more faith in the intelligence of Canadians. Polls are just a small segment of the whole of Canada and who do they represent? The emphasis on polls is overriding what really needs to be talked about which is, what are the platforms of each party and how do they plan to make good on their promises. if Poilievre is allowed to continue calling Trudeau a liar instead of revealing how he plans to run the country, especially in the areas of climate change and social programs I believe Canadians will wake up and vote sensibly.
This is completely insane. What are you even saying, Karen?
Wow, the stupidity in the blog is overwhelming.
Where to even start. Nazi flag on the hill... 1 and it's been shown to be a trudope camper. Also, who invited an actual Nazi into the house?
Protestors are at-right wingers? Really? Trudope is a left wing extremist, you're just so left wing leaning it seems ok.
Absolutely ridiculous. I will thoroughly enjoy watching Pierre win and trudope cry, yet again.
Well written.. and frightening!
Excellent column.
#PierrePoilievre4PM
Good to know you're ok with a drunk who supports people who want to rape his wife. GFY.
Soap, meet CG’s mouth!
I guess you can't or don't read. Poilievre shut down an investigation into his using hashtags to appeal to white supremacists and incels (men who hate women) and he chose to take selfies with the far right creep who threatened to sexually assault his wife. Someone needs soap. It ain't Christian.
You really have a hate on for Pierre. Your loss. #PierrePoilievre4PM
W he at a crock of horse puckey you spout.
Sensibility, meet PL’s mind!
Really? You want a male chauvinistic party? You like men who take away a women’s rights? Have you ever worked under these reformed conservatives? Let me tell you the abuses are happening
Slow day at the Putin troll farm?
Its looks like it. She is even not following Evan but ton of conservatives substrack lol.
OMG. You really are a far left bunch of wonks if you troll to see who follows what/whom.
lol it doesn’t make a lot of sense to claim that someone is « far left » only because he stated that you follow conservative substack. I guess it is indeed a slow day in PP troll farm 🙄😂
Ah, yes, “follow”. I was thinking “subscribe”. I don’t even remember who I’ve chosen to follow, but odds are in favour of Conservatives.
I totally agree with you that odds are in favour of conservative but it doesn’t mean that we cannot ask questions about Polievre’s positions/the people he chose/not chose to associate with. Have a great evening
When you are indistinguishable from the Putin and Modi troll farm employees, it doesn't really matter does it.
Diagolon hates the CPC and Pierre Poillievre. He even made jokes about abusing his wife.
They are PPC guys. Yall are just liars because your party is gonna get nuked.
Diagolon hates the CPC and Pierre Poillievre. He even made jokes about abusing his wife.
They are PPC guys. Yall are just liars because your party is gonna get nuked.
One scrawled Diagolon logo ( maybe a scuba diving flag) drawn on the inside of a door panel and this is enough? So what about the “kill all the Jews “ guys screaming at a “pro Palestinian “ demonstration. Are they all like that or is it one nut?
Lefties gotta decide. Does one person speak for the whole group or not ? Hypocrisy is wild for the lefties.
Brittlestar made the suggestion recently that maybe Poilievre doesn’t actually want to win… hence this seemingly unfathomable gaffe or lapse of judgement on both his and his handlers. Otherwise the
guy is an actual moron ( or Wacko to use the current jargon) and we are all doomed
With all due respect, Eric, what are you talking about? I don’t know if this is boomer and Gen X thing to not understand the internet, but Diagolon is a joke. It is a nonexistent country the same way “Kekistan” was a fictitious country by 4channers who’d film themselves in public asking them if they’d support a “free kekistan”. The joke is that a diagonal line from Alaska to Florida would separate from Canada and the U.S.. Four out of five court cases against Jeremy Mackenzie have been dropped because they were nonsense to begin with. I have to ask you very seriously, because I’m genuinely concerned; where are you getting this information from? Because it seems like we live in completely alternative realities. Do Canadians really only watch CBC?
article filled with strawmen and personal attacks about peterson and incels
Sensibility, meet PL’s mind!